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My experience with MoOde 6.4.0
#1
Hi all, I’d like to write a review, as a person who have tried many many combinations of players/streamers using Raspberry Pi (and others) during the last few months, and document what I like about Moode and what it still needs improvements. 

But first the TL : DR - I’m sticking with Moode for all my four rooms at home and I’ve just donated. And Tim, thank you and the team for the hard work!

0.1) My main system : source (an Rpi 3B, not +, more on that later) —> Wyred4Sound DSD2v2SE —> LFD Mark IV Signature —> Harbeth C7ES3 40th anniversary edition. Not gonna detail the other rooms, they range from Anthem HT stuff, old NAD amps, to a DIY Pass Amp Camp Amp).

0.2) Moode 6.4.0 is the first one I’ve tried. I have no previous experience with Moode Audio. 

1) What I like about Moode

a) SOUND QUALITY !!!!   It’s the best, head and shoulders better than any other ones I had and I tried the LMS/Squeezelite combo (piCorePlayer), Volumio,  I also have a Sonore Ultrarendu which I used as MPD/DLNA end point, Roon endpoint.  With a Mac I also used Audirvana before. Auralic stuff. Bluesound Node etc.      None of them sound as good as what I have now !   (I haven't tried Lumin and Aurender and the likes, which I might in the future). 

b) Music scanning is fast. This is important when you have a lot of music either local or thru NAS and a less powerful computer. 

c) Most of the things actually work. Multiroom works well, I can configure each player to diff color to recognize. Volumio have the same but half of the time it doesn’t work. 

2) What I think Moode need to improve

a) Overall among these Rpi based player, all of them are still somewhat buggy. Nothing deal breaking but more to annoyance. I understand.

b) I like the user interface layout, but the usability of Moode is below LMS/Squeezelite and Volumio and let’s not even talk about Roon here. It’s usable but not the best experience. Things are very small on my iPhone. iPad is fine. But we should have a mobile mode or an app.

c) Despite I already use a very fast SD card and keep the music local, I still have crackle from time to time. I’m a vinyl lover so that doesn’t really bother me LOL but still… 

d) It seems to be quite system demanding and it’s not as responsive esp when scanning. I have short hangs from time to time. 

e) Native Tidal pls. DLNA with Linn Kazoo works, but native Tidal please….

3) A few hints and tips of great sound from my experience… and a few that doesn’t change anything…

a) Power supply. It has been said many times but with single board computer go for the best power supply you can afford. I’m using the Uptone LPS 1.2. Yeah it sounds crazy to use a $400 power supply for a $35 Pi but trust me it’s worth it.   And also because the LPS 1.2 can only delivery 1.1A, I have to keep my power consumption low. I can only use a Pi 3B cause B+ and 4 with gigabit ethernet won’t even boot with 1.1A. With wifi bluetooth HDMI turned off and only the USB for the DAC. I’m down to < 500mA .

b) Source of music. I ended up using a 400G SD card for my Moode and music completely local.  I can use an NAS but there’s some crackle likely due to streaming speed also it doesn’t sound as good. Can’t use USB flash drive or HD due to power consumption above. So in short, everything is local other than the ethernet connection for my control. 

c) I’ve contemplated an NAS bridged directly next to it or those Regen things… but everytime when I think of they need another power supply… I cancel the thought,

d) I tried Edward’s script -  No diff for me. ( http://moodeaudio.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=749 )

e) I tried this Audio Quest Jitterbug thing. It changed the sound a bit, warmer, but not to my liking. 

f) I also has Allo Boss DAC and Allo DigiONE. Theoretically they should sound better however I end up feeling a direct USB connection to my W4S sounds the best. I tried all of them. 

So that’s pretty much it. I”ll add more if I figure out more. 

Again Tim, thank you. Moode Audio is the *best* R Pi music player I’ve ever tried, among many. 

Tom.
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#2
You've found the best SQ Smile

Now try a power supply that is appropriate for a Pi 3.... Wink    1.1 amp is not sufficient and would be the first thing to investigate for "crackle" "responsiveness" and "hangs".... they're all symptoms of a power supply with too low current output...

Moode on a Pi3B and suitable supply will idle along at around 4% total cpu usage whilst playing...

A suitable linear supply such as the Salas L-Adaptor would be a start..
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-su...apter.html
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#3
Quote:Native Tidal

You can use/navigate your Tidal library directly in BubbleUPnP (Android) and send to Moode over UPnP. I don't know what the equivalent app would be on ios, Allconnect maybe?


Quote:I still have crackle from time to time

This is unlikely to be networking or storage related, if your DAC is connected via USB and as your Wyred 4 Sound DAC is a UAC2 device try enabling the UAC2 fix option under "System Modifications" in the [Configuration] > [System] menu. After enabling that reboot and see if that sorts it out.

... and by the way, nice DAC. That is way beyond the Allo stuff so it should indeed sound better. Also as Drone rightly pointed out that power supply is insufficient for a Pi3 so change it for something more appropriate.
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#4
Actually I would not be surprised if your crackle is related to your PSU: I agree with you on the quality point, however you do need to keep the system fed. :-)
I am using a 2.5A 7.5V linear PSU connected to an Audiophonics I-Sabre V4 ES ES9023 and a Raspberry 7" touch screen. However I am using a NAS for music, as this way I can use the speed of the gigabit connection (which is still not quite 1 gb,but faster than any SD card). This speed would be helpful especially for larger files (wav?), But again: you need a larger power brick for that.
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#5
(12-06-2019, 04:28 AM)DRONE7 Wrote: You've found the best SQ Smile

Now try a power supply that is appropriate for a Pi 3.... Wink    1.1 amp is not sufficient and would be the first thing to investigate for "crackle" "responsiveness" and "hangs".... they're all symptoms of a power supply with too low current output...

Moode on a Pi3B and suitable supply will idle along at around 4% total cpu usage whilst playing...

A suitable linear supply such as the Salas L-Adaptor would be a start..
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-su...apter.html

Might you be able to recommend a pre-built power supply that is of a quality equivalent to the Salas?
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#6
(04-24-2020, 02:19 AM)hifihats Wrote:
(12-06-2019, 04:28 AM)DRONE7 Wrote: You've found the best SQ Smile

Now try a power supply that is appropriate for a Pi 3.... Wink    1.1 amp is not sufficient and would be the first thing to investigate for "crackle" "responsiveness" and "hangs".... they're all symptoms of a power supply with too low current output...

Moode on a Pi3B and suitable supply will idle along at around 4% total cpu usage whilst playing...

A suitable linear supply such as the Salas L-Adaptor would be a start..
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-su...apter.html

Might you be able to recommend a pre-built power supply that is of a quality equivalent to the Salas?

If 5VDC is what you are looking for this PSU is a very good choice: ALLO SHANTI
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#7
I use a AUDIOPHONICS LPSU25 with good results with my Pi 3B+ setup. Would not recommend it for a Pi 4 setup because it's only rated at 2A output.

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/hifi-powe...11364.html
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#8
Or (possibly) less expensive would be the forthcoming Nirvana 5V PS from Allo.
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#9
FYI 2A is fine for running a standalone Pi4 that's not powering other USB & GPIO devices, the Raspberry Pi foundation's PSU recommendations are based on a Pi with all USB & GPIO ports at full power draw.

An active bare-bones Pi4 requires on avg 600mA so hope that helps Wink

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentatio.../README.md
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#10
As vinnn says...
I run my Pi4 from the official Pi3 supply and an adapter to convert to USB-C.  This powers the Pi4 and an attached USB flash-drive.
For anything more I add a powered USB hub.

Edit:  so out of interest I tried an official RPi2 power supply on an RPi4 running latest moOde 6.5.0 and with one usb flash-drive with music files.
Boots and runs fine.. Smile 
Note, using ArgonOne case and fan script....though as yet at 19C ambient the fan has not kicked in...


https://www.argon40.com/argon-one-raspbe...-case.html
http://moodeaudio.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2227
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