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Track position is incorrectly detected - svitalya - 01-20-2025
There are some albums with which strange things happen. No matter how I re-save the original flac, after scanning the library the track start position is incorrectly detected. Everything plays correctly on the PC. I checked the positions in the cue file with WaveEditor. They are correct. I could split the source flac into tracks, but I have quite a lot of albums where there are no pauses between tracks. I'd like to keep that.
Any ideas on what could be done? Thanks.
P.S. If it helps, the link below contains the “trouble” album. For example, in track 6 there is a long pause at the beginning that shouldn't be there.
https://fobo-friends.store:16037/web/client/pubshares/bJe2GvieD9WMzoQpL7qDt4/download?compress=false
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - Tim Curtis - 01-20-2025
No issues on my end.
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Track #5 "One More Night" has a long fadeout, the last 8-10 secs are complete silence.
Track #6 "The Skin I'm In" starts immediately with what appears to be a bit of laughter.
Its not obvious to me what might be happening on your end.
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - svitalya - 01-20-2025
(01-20-2025, 12:12 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: No issues on my end.
Track #5 "One More Night" has a long fadeout, the last 8-10 secs are complete silence.
Track #6 "The Skin I'm In" starts immediately with what appears to be a bit of laughter.
Its not obvious to me what might be happening on your end.
I have a long silence (about 5-6 seconds) at the start of track #6. The length of tracks is the same. I have already rescan all library twice. What can I try else? Thanks.
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - TheOldPresbyope - 01-20-2025
Your file seems to be behaving correctly here too.
As can be seen clearly in Audacity (an open-source audio editor on my Linux box) there are fade outs and silent intervals between tracks, ca. 10 seconds
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Pretty much the same as Tim reported, when I play your single-file album, track 6 starts almost immediately with chuckle after a 3 second faide-out and 10 second slience at the end of track 5.
The cue file is the sole arbiter for dividing the flac file into individual track files. It's been too many years and I don't remember the subtleties of the cue contents but when I split up the file using the open-source tool shnsplit and tag the results with cuetag I get the same results with the file for track 5 ending in long silence and the file for track 6 beginning essentially immediately.
Regards,
Kent
PS - consult your favorite search engine on splitting and tagging flac files (as well as other audio file types).
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - svitalya - 01-20-2025
Thank you for your interest in the problem.
It's a shame you weren't able to reproduce the problem I'm having.
The cue file is exactly correct, when played from Aimp on PC everything is ok.
I probably won’t rack my brains any longer, I’ll split this flac into tracks. Thanks everyone again!
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - TheOldPresbyope - 01-20-2025
(01-20-2025, 06:26 PM)svitalya Wrote: Thank you for your interest in the problem.
It's a shame you weren't able to reproduce the problem I'm having.
The cue file is exactly correct, when played from Aimp on PC everything is ok.
I probably won’t rack my brains any longer, I’ll split this flac into tracks. Thanks everyone again!
So I looked at the cue sheet file. It has some funkiness with INDEX 00 and INDEX 01 entries.
Have a look at https://kodi.wiki/view/Cue_sheets#A_single_file_cue_sheet_with_a_TRACK_01_INDEX_00_hidden_track
for a discussion of hidden tracks, pre-gaps, Exact Audio Copy, etc. I don't have time to explore further but I suspect the issue lies there.
In any case, enjoy the music!
Regards,
Kent
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - Nutul - 01-20-2025
(01-20-2025, 08:11 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote:(01-20-2025, 06:26 PM)svitalya Wrote: Thank you for your interest in the problem.
It's a shame you weren't able to reproduce the problem I'm having.
The cue file is exactly correct, when played from Aimp on PC everything is ok.
I probably won’t rack my brains any longer, I’ll split this flac into tracks. Thanks everyone again!
So I looked at the cue sheet file. It has some funkiness with INDEX 00 and INDEX 01 entries.
Have a look at https://kodi.wiki/view/Cue_sheets#A_single_file_cue_sheet_with_a_TRACK_01_INDEX_00_hidden_track
for a discussion of hidden tracks, pre-gaps, Exact Audio Copy, etc. I don't have time to explore further but I suspect the issue lies there.
In any case, enjoy the music!
Regards,
Kent
I noticed the same thing about a 3s INDEX00 => INDEX01 on track 6.
I always remove any INDEX00 entry from the CUEs my rip software - a.b.c.d.e. - (sometimes... cannot yet figure out why only sometimes...) generates.
It could indeed be related to that... although the subtlety is that - IIRC - the index00 timing is applied ONLY if you start playing THAT track.
If you enter it coming from track 5, then only index01 counts...
So, iof the behavior is that, there is nothing wrong; it is just the way the artist wanted.
Or, maybe... ExactAudioCopy splits the (long?) silence between tracks half to the end of the current, and half to the beginning of the next? And then applies the INDEX00 / INDEX01 thing...?
Anyway, if I were you, I'd remove all the INDEX00 entries in the CUE. INDEX01 is the real track beginning time.
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - Tim Curtis - 01-20-2025
(01-20-2025, 06:26 PM)svitalya Wrote: Thank you for your interest in the problem.
It's a shame you weren't able to reproduce the problem I'm having.
The cue file is exactly correct, when played from Aimp on PC everything is ok.
I probably won’t rack my brains any longer, I’ll split this flac into tracks. Thanks everyone again!
Btw, thats a pretty cool album. It's got that great 90's pop/electronica vibe :-)
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - Tim Curtis - 01-20-2025
Those INDEX00 entries will also cause Audio info to return just the info for the .flac file instead of the track.
RE: Track position is incorrectly detected - svitalya - 01-21-2025
(01-20-2025, 10:55 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: Those INDEX00 entries will also cause Audio info to return just the info for the .flac file instead of the track.
I think I figured out what the problem is. After deleting folders and re-scanning, albums don't disappear, or rather, physically there are no files, but there are tags about them. And there is a doubling of tags on albums that no longer exist. Apparently, Moode Audio somehow used the previous data from the cue file, that's why there was such a long silence before the track.
In general, the question now is to completely reset the music database and recreate it again. The “Clear” and "Regenerate" buttons don't do it.
Would you help? Thanks!