Problem: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums

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RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - RPI4 Rambler - 08-25-2020

(08-25-2020, 02:16 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: @RPI4 Rambler

Hi, Marco.

We can't give good answers if you don't supply basic information.

Post the output from moodeutl -s. This helps us judge the basic health of your system. (I originally wrote -l but -s gives more complete info.)

Since you are struggling with the MPD library, show us what MPD thinks is in it. Since you're comfortable working from the command line:

Post the actual output from mpc stats.

Post the output from, say, mpc list album (or one of the other major tag fields in your collection such as title, artist, genre). This is the information used to construct the views in the moOdeUI.

The RPi4B is quite capable of indexing large collections but the upper limit depends of various factors. I have a modest collection of ca 6000 tracks and even an RPi0W is happy with it. Others have collections well into the 10K to 20K range.

How big is yours? If it's into the 30K+ tracks range I think neither moOde nor any other MPD-based player running on an SBC will perform well. If your collection is supersized, you could test the hypothesis that size matters by mounting only of your six NAS shares and checking the result.

There is no call for fiddling with system files such as mpd.conf. The moOdeUI provides access to all the configuration parameters a normal user needs and, as you've discovered, overwrites mpd.conf.

Most users problems with the Library have been traced to their tags. What matters is what MPD and its plugins recognize, not indexing-status info from a NAS package like minimserver.

Regards,
Kent

Hi Kent,

Thanks for your reply. My collection is much bigger though:

Code:
mpc stats

Artists:  20191

Albums:   18739

Songs:   266810

Play Time:    0 days, 0:00:00

Uptime:       1 days, 1:49:36

DB Updated:   Mon Aug 24 14:35:01 2020

DB Play Time: 827 days, 12:51:11

Off topic to come, though. Some forumistas seem to interpret problems people have with Moode as an attack on the system. Actually, Moode is my favorite, and I tried quite a few.
Now, I have a RPI3B+ as well, running Volumio, and if you don't edit mpd.conf accordingly MPD will crash on all sorts of parameters that are set far too low to handle a library as big as this, guaranteed. There is really a big need to edit mpd.conf in this case, trust me. Some settings implemented in my Moode's mpd.conf are way over default too, like these for instance:

Code:
max_output_buffer_size "131072"

max_connections "128"

The default for max_connections is 10, according to MPD's creators, recommended even. The whole point of editing of mpd.conf (Moode does it automatically all the time) is to make MPD flexible. Volumio will not change mpd.conf to suit the needs of indexing, for instance, but it does change a couple of things according to some UI settings, half-way house as it were. Volumio does not overwrite mpd.conf but edits it. Big difference. However, in Volumio indexing is handled very differently from Moode's so we should let this go.

I strongly disagree with your position that one should not meddle with the innards of a system. So many systems have so many bugs, that you're forced too. I'm beginning to (blasphemy!) hate MPD (especially when the so-called stable version is a lot less stable than the next-up beta) as much as Tim hates NFS, I guess. But then, I have been growing up with DEC's VAX VMS OS, still an amazing OS; I'm still seeing stuff in Linux that has its origins in VMS.

If you would make a comparison of indexing speed between an RPI4 and say, Minimserver on a similarly powered NAS, you'd be amazed. OK, wayyyyyy off topic now.

My music library has no tagging problems. As I said earlier, Twonky, Minimserver, LMS have no problem whatsoever with my music library as far as tagging or size is concerned. Any robust server system would not, though 10 years ago you might have been right.

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - RPI4 Rambler - 08-25-2020

Ok, you asked for it so here goes moodeutl -s:

Code:
pi@moode:/var/lib/mpd/music/NAS/DSD $ moodeutl -s

Generating info...

S Y S T E M   P A R A M E T E R S

moOde release           = 6.7.1 2020-07-22

RaspiOS                 = 10.4

Linux kernel            = 5.4.51-v7l+ #1325

Platform                = Pi-4B 2GB v1.1

Architecture            = armv7l (32-bit)

System uptime           = up 1 day, 3 hours, 31 minutes

Timezone                = Europe/Amsterdam

Current time            = 2020-08-25 20:10:55

Host name               = moode

Ethernet address        = [erased]

Ethernet MAC            = [erased]

WLAN address            = unassigned

WLAN MAC                = no adapter

WLAN country            = US

SoC identifier          = bcm2711

Core count              = 4

Kernel timer freq       = 100 Hz

SDCard freq             = 50 MHz

USB boot                = not available

Warranty                = OK

Root size               = 59G

Root used               = 5%

Root available          = 54G

Root expand             = expanded

Memory free             = 1374 MB

Memory used             = 170 MB

SoC temperature         = 51.1°C

CPU governor            = ondemand

Onboard WiFi            = Off

Onboard BT              = On

HDMI output             = Off

LED state               = 1,1

Eth addr wait           = On

Max USB current         = Off

USB (UAC2) fix          = Off

Pi-3B+ eth fix          = Off

SSH term server         = On

PHP-FPM version         = 7.3.14

NGINX version           = 1.14.2

SQLite3 version         = 3.27.2

Hostapd version         = 2.8-devel

WiringPi version        = 2.50

RPi.GPIO version        = 0.7.0

A U D I O   P A R A M E T E R S

Audio device            = USB audio device

Interface               = SoC

Mixer name              = D10

Hardware volume         = Controller detected

Max ALSA volume         = 100

Max MPD volume          = 100

Volume step limit       = 10

Audio source            = Local

Output device           = Local

Resume MPD              = No

Volume knob             = 0

Volume mute             = Unmuted

Saved MPD vol           = 0

Preamp volume           = 0

ALSA version            = 1.1.8-1+rpt1

SoX version             = 0.1.2-3

Bluetooth controller    = Off

Pairing agent           = Off

Airplay receiver        = On

Spotify receiver        = Off

Squeezelite             = Off

UPnP client             = On

DLNA server             = Off

GPIO button handler     = Off

UPnP browser            = On

Auto-shuffle            = Off

Autoplay                = Off

Rotary encoder          = Off

Encoder params          = 100 2 3 23 24

USB volume knob         = Off

Polarity inversion      = Off

Crossfeed               = Off

Crossfade               = Off

Parametric EQ           = Off

Graphic EQ              = Off

MPD httpd               = On

A P P E A R A N C E   S E T T I N G S

Themes and backgrounds

----------------------

Theme                   = Chikory Root

Accent color            = Emerald

Alpha blend             = 0.95

Adaptive background     = Yes

Background image        = No

Cover backdrop          = No

Cover blur              = 20px

Cover scale             = 1.25

Library options

----------------------

Instant play action     = Clear/Play

Show tagview genres     = Yes

Show tagview covers     = Yes

Show sample rate        = Text

Ellipsis limited text   = No

Thumbnail columns       = 6/2 (Default)

Albumview sort order    = by Artist

Tagview sort order      = by Artist/Year

Compilation identifier  = Various Artists

Recently added          = 1 Month

Ignore articles         = a,an,the

UTF8 character filter   = No

Hi-res thumbs           = Auto

Cover search pri        = Cover image file

Pixel ratio             = 1.5

Coverview screen saver

----------------------

CoverView auto-display  = Never

CoverView style         = Gradient (Linear)

Other options

----------------------

Font size               = Normal

Auto-shuffle filter     = None

Extra metadata          = track,disc,composer,year,encoded

Playback history        = No

First use help          = y,n

M P D   S E T T I N G S

Version                 = 0.21.24

Volume control          = disabled

ALSA device             = hw:2

SoX resampling          = disabled

SoX quality             = very high

SoX multithreading      = on

DSD over PCM (DoP)      = no

Replaygain              = off

Replaygain preamp       = 0

Volume normalization    = No

Audio buffer            = 8192 (kb)

Output buffer size      = 131072 (kb)

B L U E T O O T H   S E T T I N G S

Bluetooth ver           = 5.50

Bluealsa ver            = v2.1.0

Speaker sharing         = No

Resume MPD              = No

PCM buffer time         = 500000 (μs)

A I R P L A Y   S E T T I N G S

Version                 = 3.3.6

Friendly name           = Moode Airplay

ALSA device             = hw:2

Interpolation           = soxr

Output bit depth        = S16

Output sample rate      = 44100

Session interruption    = no

Session timeout         = 120 (ms)

Latency offset          = 0.0 (secs)

Audio buffer            = 0.2 (secs)

Resume MPD              = No

S P O T I F Y   S E T T I N G S

Friendly name           = Moode Spotify

ALSA device             = plughw:2

Bit rate                = 160

Initial volume          = 0

Volume curve            = Logarithmic

Volume normalization    = No

Normalization pregain   = 0

Autoplay                = No

Resume MPD              = No

S Q U E E Z E L I T E   S E T T I N G S

Version                 = 1.8.7-1052 "DSD/SRC enabled"

Friendly name           = Moode

ALSA device             = hw:0

ALSA params             = 80:4::1

Output buffers          = 40000:100000

Task priority           = 45

Codec list              = flac,pcm,mp3,ogg,aac,alac,dsd

Other options           = -W -D 500 -R E -S /var/local

Resume MPD              = No

L O C A L   D I S P L A Y   S E T T I N G S

Local UI display        = Off

Mouse cursor            = On

Screen blank            = 600 Secs

Wake display on play    = On

Brightness              = 255

Pixel aspect ratio      = Default

Rotate screen           = 0 Deg

M O O D E   S T A R T U P   L O G

20200824 163907 worker: -- Start

20200824 163907 worker: Successfully daemonized

20200824 163908 worker: Integrity check (passed)

20200824 163908 worker: Session loaded

20200824 163908 worker: Debug logging (off)

20200824 163908 worker: Device raw: (0:b1|1:Headphones|2:D10|3:empty

20200824 163908 worker: Device i2s: (none)

20200824 163908 worker: Device mpd: (2:D10)

20200824 163908 worker: Device ses: (2|D10|D10 |0%)

20200824 163908 worker: ALSA D10  volume set to (0%)

20200824 163908 worker: -- System

20200824 163909 worker: Host     (moode)

20200824 163909 worker: moOde    (6.7.1 2020-07-22)

20200824 163909 worker: RaspiOS  (10.4)

20200824 163909 worker: Kernel   (5.4.51-v7l+ #1325)

20200824 163909 worker: Platform (Pi-4B 2GB v1.1)

20200824 163909 worker: ARM arch (armv7l, 32-bit kernel)

20200824 163909 worker: MPD ver  (0.21.24)

20200824 163909 worker: CPU gov  (ondemand)

20200824 163909 worker: USB boot not available

20200824 163909 worker: File system expanded

20200824 163909 worker: HDMI port off

20200824 163910 worker: File check (OK)

20200824 163910 worker: -- Network

20200824 163910 worker: eth0 exists

20200824 163910 worker: IP addr (ERASED)

20200824 163910 worker: Netmask (255.255.255.0)

20200824 163910 worker: Gateway (ERASED)

20200824 163910 worker: Pri DNS (103.86.99.100)

20200824 163910 worker: Domain  (103.86.96.100)

20200824 163910 worker: wlan0 does not exist

20200824 163910 worker: -- Audio

20200824 163911 worker: MPD conf updated

20200824 163911 worker: ALSA outputs unmuted

20200824 163911 worker: ALSA card number (2)

20200824 163911 worker: Audio output (D10)

20200824 163912 worker: Audio formats (S32_LE, SPECIAL, DSD_U32_BE)

20200824 163912 worker: ALSA mixer name (D10 )

20200824 163912 worker: MPD volume control (disabled)

20200824 163912 worker: Hdwr volume controller exists

20200824 163912 worker: Max ALSA volume (100%)

20200824 163912 worker: Reset renderer active flags

20200824 163912 worker: -- MPD

20200824 163912 worker: MPD started

20200824 163917 worker: MPD accepting connections

20200824 163917 worker: Configure MPD outputs

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 1 ALSA default (on)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 2 ALSA crossfeed (off)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 3 ALSA parametric eq (off)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 4 ALSA graphic eq (off)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 5 ALSA polarity inversion (off)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 6 ALSA bluetooth (off)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 7 HTTP stream (on)

20200824 163917 worker: MPD crossfade (off)

20200824 163917 worker: -- Feature availability

20200824 163917 worker: Source select (available)

20200824 163917 worker: Source select (source: MPD)

20200824 163917 worker: Source select (output: D10)

20200824 163917 worker: Bluetooth (available)

20200824 163917 worker: Airplay renderer (available)

20200824 163917 worker: Airplay renderer (started)

20200824 163917 worker: Spotify renderer (available)

20200824 163917 worker: Squeezelite renderer (available)

20200824 163917 worker: UPnP renderer (available)

20200824 163917 worker: UPnP renderer (started)

20200824 163917 worker: DLNA server (available)

20200824 163917 worker: UPnP browser (available)

20200824 163918 worker: UPnP browser (started)

20200824 163918 worker: Audio scrobbler (available)

20200824 163918 worker: GPIO button handler (available)

20200824 163918 worker: -- Music sources

20200824 163918 worker: USB sources (none attached)

20200824 163920 worker: NAS and UPnP sources (mountall initiated)

20200824 163920 worker: -- Miscellaneous

20200824 163920 worker: USB volume knob (Off)

20200824 163920 worker: Shellinabox SSH started

20200824 163920 worker: USB auto-mounter (udisks-glue)

20200824 163920 worker: LED0 (On)

20200824 163920 worker: LED1 (On)

20200824 163920 worker: Saved MPD vol level (0)

20200824 163920 worker: Preamp volume level (0)

20200824 163920 worker: MPD volume level (0) restored

20200824 163920 worker: ALSA D10  volume (100%)

20200824 163920 worker: Auto-play (Off)

20200824 163920 worker: Maintenance interval (3 hrs)

20200824 163920 worker: Screen saver activation (Never)

20200824 163920 worker: Session permissions (OK)

20200824 163920 worker: Watchdog started

20200824 163920 worker: Ready

I'm probably stupid, though I have seen this before, but I can't see any faults here. Then again, I don't pretend to know anything about Moode or Linux (I'm a DEC VMS man, with a bit of PDP under my belt for those who remember) so I'm not completely clueless.
Maybe omissions, but then indicators would have been issued? Like, USB sources (none attached).

Oh, and one more thing for Kent: no, I haven't touched mpd.conf but I did have a look at it. And I would like to change the metadata to "albumartist,artist,album,track,title,genre,date,disc". This can be done in MPD but it looks like it's done elsewhere in Moode.

Cheers guys, I really do wish to understand Moode better,
marco

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - TheOldPresbyope - 08-25-2020

@RPI4 Rambler

Hi, Marco.

MPD already indexes the metadata you are asking for.

Here as proof, on a stock moOde 6.7.1 player with a NAS library served as a SMB share from OpenMediaVault, are some examples of the output I asked for from you:

Code:
pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list albumartist

Aaron Copland

Abdelazar

Academy of St Martin in the Fields

Al Di Meola

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list artist

A.Khachaturian

A.Piazolla

A.Vivaldi

Abdelazar

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list album

'Four' & More

16 of Their Greatest Hits

1999 - Chopin - Klavierkonzert 1 u.a. - Ax

2400 Fulton Street: An Anthology

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list track

1

10

101

102

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list title

"Air on the G String" (from Suite III), BWV 1068

"Airs from Vauxhall Gardens"

"Jewish Rapsody", Int. V. Malinovski

"Manfred" Ouvertüre op. 115

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list genre

Alternative

Ambient

Avant-Garde

Avant-gardelectronica

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list date

0

1949

1950

1955

...

pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list disc

1

102

14

2

The moodeutl -s output you posted looks normal.

My position is that simply meddling with a system's innards without understanding the system is as likely to produce a positive result as simply meddling with my innards because I have a problem if you haven't some training about the systems of the human body.

We forumistas* have some knowledge of the innards of moOde but we're still trying to get enough data from your system to understand where lies the problem dealing with your massive library. I still think starting with one share, preferably the smallest of the 6 (so maybe less than 50k tracks) would help establish that everything is basically working.

Regards,
Kent

*forumista === anyone not named Tim!

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - vinnn - 08-26-2020

(08-25-2020, 06:48 PM)RPI4 Rambler Wrote: Ok, you asked for it so here goes moodeutl -s:

Code:
pi@moode:/var/lib/mpd/music/NAS/DSD $ moodeutl -s Generating info... S Y S T E M P A R A M E T E R S moOde release = 6.7.1 2020-07-22 RaspiOS = 10.4 Linux kernel = 5.4.51-v7l+ #1325 Platform = Pi-4B 2GB v1.1 Architecture = armv7l (32-bit) System uptime = up 1 day, 3 hours, 31 minutes Timezone = Europe/Amsterdam Current time = 2020-08-25 20:10:55 Host name = moode Ethernet address = [erased] Ethernet MAC = [erased] WLAN address = unassigned WLAN MAC = no adapter WLAN country = US SoC identifier = bcm2711 Core count = 4 Kernel timer freq = 100 Hz SDCard freq = 50 MHz USB boot = not available Warranty = OK Root size = 59G Root used = 5% Root available = 54G Root expand = expanded Memory free = 1374 MB Memory used = 170 MB SoC temperature = 51.1°C CPU governor = ondemand Onboard WiFi = Off Onboard BT = On HDMI output = Off LED state = 1,1 Eth addr wait = On Max USB current = Off USB (UAC2) fix = Off Pi-3B+ eth fix = Off SSH term server = On PHP-FPM version = 7.3.14 NGINX version = 1.14.2 SQLite3 version = 3.27.2 Hostapd version = 2.8-devel WiringPi version = 2.50 RPi.GPIO version = 0.7.0 A U D I O P A R A M E T E R S Audio device = USB audio device Interface = SoC Mixer name = D10 Hardware volume = Controller detected Max ALSA volume = 100 Max MPD volume = 100 Volume step limit = 10 Audio source = Local Output device = Local Resume MPD = No Volume knob = 0 Volume mute = Unmuted Saved MPD vol = 0 Preamp volume = 0 ALSA version = 1.1.8-1+rpt1 SoX version = 0.1.2-3 Bluetooth controller = Off Pairing agent = Off Airplay receiver = On Spotify receiver = Off Squeezelite = Off UPnP client = On DLNA server = Off GPIO button handler = Off UPnP browser = On Auto-shuffle = Off Autoplay = Off Rotary encoder = Off Encoder params = 100 2 3 23 24 USB volume knob = Off Polarity inversion = Off Crossfeed = Off Crossfade = Off Parametric EQ = Off Graphic EQ = Off MPD httpd = On A P P E A R A N C E S E T T I N G S Themes and backgrounds ---------------------- Theme = Chikory Root Accent color = Emerald Alpha blend = 0.95 Adaptive background = Yes Background image = No Cover backdrop = No Cover blur = 20px Cover scale = 1.25 Library options ---------------------- Instant play action = Clear/Play Show tagview genres = Yes Show tagview covers = Yes Show sample rate = Text Ellipsis limited text = No Thumbnail columns = 6/2 (Default) Albumview sort order = by Artist Tagview sort order = by Artist/Year Compilation identifier = Various Artists Recently added = 1 Month Ignore articles = a,an,the UTF8 character filter = No Hi-res thumbs = Auto Cover search pri = Cover image file Pixel ratio = 1.5 Coverview screen saver ---------------------- CoverView auto-display = Never CoverView style = Gradient (Linear) Other options ---------------------- Font size = Normal Auto-shuffle filter = None Extra metadata = track,disc,composer,year,encoded Playback history = No First use help = y,n M P D S E T T I N G S Version = 0.21.24 Volume control = disabled ALSA device = hw:2 SoX resampling = disabled SoX quality = very high SoX multithreading = on DSD over PCM (DoP) = no Replaygain = off Replaygain preamp = 0 Volume normalization = No Audio buffer = 8192 (kb) Output buffer size = 131072 (kb) B L U E T O O T H S E T T I N G S Bluetooth ver = 5.50 Bluealsa ver = v2.1.0 Speaker sharing = No Resume MPD = No PCM buffer time = 500000 (μs) A I R P L A Y S E T T I N G S Version = 3.3.6 Friendly name = Moode Airplay ALSA device = hw:2 Interpolation = soxr Output bit depth = S16 Output sample rate = 44100 Session interruption = no Session timeout = 120 (ms) Latency offset = 0.0 (secs) Audio buffer = 0.2 (secs) Resume MPD = No S P O T I F Y S E T T I N G S Friendly name = Moode Spotify ALSA device = plughw:2 Bit rate = 160 Initial volume = 0 Volume curve = Logarithmic Volume normalization = No Normalization pregain = 0 Autoplay = No Resume MPD = No S Q U E E Z E L I T E S E T T I N G S Version = 1.8.7-1052 "DSD/SRC enabled" Friendly name = Moode ALSA device = hw:0 ALSA params = 80:4::1 Output buffers = 40000:100000 Task priority = 45 Codec list = flac,pcm,mp3,ogg,aac,alac,dsd Other options = -W -D 500 -R E -S /var/local Resume MPD = No L O C A L D I S P L A Y S E T T I N G S Local UI display = Off Mouse cursor = On Screen blank = 600 Secs Wake display on play = On Brightness = 255 Pixel aspect ratio = Default Rotate screen = 0 Deg M O O D E S T A R T U P L O G 20200824 163907 worker: -- Start 20200824 163907 worker: Successfully daemonized 20200824 163908 worker: Integrity check (passed) 20200824 163908 worker: Session loaded 20200824 163908 worker: Debug logging (off) 20200824 163908 worker: Device raw: (0:b1|1:Headphones|2:D10|3:empty 20200824 163908 worker: Device i2s: (none) 20200824 163908 worker: Device mpd: (2:D10) 20200824 163908 worker: Device ses: (2|D10|D10 |0%) 20200824 163908 worker: ALSA D10 volume set to (0%) 20200824 163908 worker: -- System 20200824 163909 worker: Host (moode) 20200824 163909 worker: moOde (6.7.1 2020-07-22) 20200824 163909 worker: RaspiOS (10.4) 20200824 163909 worker: Kernel (5.4.51-v7l+ #1325) 20200824 163909 worker: Platform (Pi-4B 2GB v1.1) 20200824 163909 worker: ARM arch (armv7l, 32-bit kernel) 20200824 163909 worker: MPD ver (0.21.24) 20200824 163909 worker: CPU gov (ondemand) 20200824 163909 worker: USB boot not available 20200824 163909 worker: File system expanded 20200824 163909 worker: HDMI port off 20200824 163910 worker: File check (OK) 20200824 163910 worker: -- Network 20200824 163910 worker: eth0 exists 20200824 163910 worker: IP addr (ERASED) 20200824 163910 worker: Netmask (255.255.255.0) 20200824 163910 worker: Gateway (ERASED) 20200824 163910 worker: Pri DNS (103.86.99.100) 20200824 163910 worker: Domain (103.86.96.100) 20200824 163910 worker: wlan0 does not exist 20200824 163910 worker: -- Audio 20200824 163911 worker: MPD conf updated 20200824 163911 worker: ALSA outputs unmuted 20200824 163911 worker: ALSA card number (2) 20200824 163911 worker: Audio output (D10) 20200824 163912 worker: Audio formats (S32_LE, SPECIAL, DSD_U32_BE) 20200824 163912 worker: ALSA mixer name (D10 ) 20200824 163912 worker: MPD volume control (disabled) 20200824 163912 worker: Hdwr volume controller exists 20200824 163912 worker: Max ALSA volume (100%) 20200824 163912 worker: Reset renderer active flags 20200824 163912 worker: -- MPD 20200824 163912 worker: MPD started 20200824 163917 worker: MPD accepting connections 20200824 163917 worker: Configure MPD outputs 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 1 ALSA default (on) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 2 ALSA crossfeed (off) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 3 ALSA parametric eq (off) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 4 ALSA graphic eq (off) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 5 ALSA polarity inversion (off) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 6 ALSA bluetooth (off) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD output 7 HTTP stream (on) 20200824 163917 worker: MPD crossfade (off) 20200824 163917 worker: -- Feature availability 20200824 163917 worker: Source select (available) 20200824 163917 worker: Source select (source: MPD) 20200824 163917 worker: Source select (output: D10) 20200824 163917 worker: Bluetooth (available) 20200824 163917 worker: Airplay renderer (available) 20200824 163917 worker: Airplay renderer (started) 20200824 163917 worker: Spotify renderer (available) 20200824 163917 worker: Squeezelite renderer (available) 20200824 163917 worker: UPnP renderer (available) 20200824 163917 worker: UPnP renderer (started) 20200824 163917 worker: DLNA server (available) 20200824 163917 worker: UPnP browser (available) 20200824 163918 worker: UPnP browser (started) 20200824 163918 worker: Audio scrobbler (available) 20200824 163918 worker: GPIO button handler (available) 20200824 163918 worker: -- Music sources 20200824 163918 worker: USB sources (none attached) 20200824 163920 worker: NAS and UPnP sources (mountall initiated) 20200824 163920 worker: -- Miscellaneous 20200824 163920 worker: USB volume knob (Off) 20200824 163920 worker: Shellinabox SSH started 20200824 163920 worker: USB auto-mounter (udisks-glue) 20200824 163920 worker: LED0 (On) 20200824 163920 worker: LED1 (On) 20200824 163920 worker: Saved MPD vol level (0) 20200824 163920 worker: Preamp volume level (0) 20200824 163920 worker: MPD volume level (0) restored 20200824 163920 worker: ALSA D10 volume (100%) 20200824 163920 worker: Auto-play (Off) 20200824 163920 worker: Maintenance interval (3 hrs) 20200824 163920 worker: Screen saver activation (Never) 20200824 163920 worker: Session permissions (OK) 20200824 163920 worker: Watchdog started 20200824 163920 worker: Ready

I'm probably stupid, though I have seen this before, but I can't see any faults here. Then again, I don't pretend to know anything about Moode or Linux (I'm a DEC VMS man, with a bit of PDP under my belt for those who remember) so I'm not completely clueless.
Maybe omissions, but then indicators would have been issued? Like, USB sources (none attached).

Oh, and one more thing for Kent: no, I haven't touched mpd.conf but I did have a look at it. And I would like to change the metadata to "albumartist,artist,album,track,title,genre,date,disc". This can be done in MPD but it looks like it's done elsewhere in Moode.

Cheers guys, I really do wish to understand Moode better,
marco

Seems less an mpd issue, more the web application snapping under the weight of so much html to generate.
You tried using an mpd client instead? Something like mpdroid (Android). Gonna be a more basic interface than the web app to navigate but it has the advantage of being an application with it's own local metadata cache/database. Even if you can get the web app to work your web browser might have problems rendering that much data, especially on a mobile device.

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - RPI4 Rambler - 08-26-2020

(08-25-2020, 08:05 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: @RPI4 Rambler

Hi, Marco.

MPD already indexes the metadata you are asking for.

Here as proof, on a stock moOde 6.7.1 player with a NAS library served as a SMB share from OpenMediaVault, are some examples of the output I asked for from you:

Code:
pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list albumartist Aaron Copland Abdelazar Academy of St Martin in the Fields Al Di Meola ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list artist A.Khachaturian A.Piazolla A.Vivaldi Abdelazar ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list album 'Four' & More 16 of Their Greatest Hits 1999 - Chopin - Klavierkonzert 1 u.a. - Ax 2400 Fulton Street: An Anthology ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list track 1 10 101 102 ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list title "Air on the G String" (from Suite III), BWV 1068 "Airs from Vauxhall Gardens" "Jewish Rapsody", Int. V. Malinovski "Manfred" Ouvertüre op. 115 ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list genre Alternative Ambient Avant-Garde Avant-gardelectronica ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list date 0 1949 1950 1955 ... pi@moode3a:~ $ mpc list disc 1 102 14 2

The moodeutl -s output you posted looks normal.

My position is that simply meddling with a system's innards without understanding the system is as likely to produce a positive result as simply meddling with my innards because I have a problem if you haven't some training about the systems of the human body.

We forumistas* have some knowledge of the innards of moOde but we're still trying to get enough data from your system to understand where lies the problem dealing with your massive library. I still think starting with one share, preferably the smallest of the 6 (so maybe less than 50k tracks) would help establish that everything is basically working.

Regards,
Kent

*forumista === anyone not named Tim!

Hi Kent,

First order of business: next time I'll speak to Boris Johnson, I will tell him to stop meddling with Britain's economy because he is so blatantly lacking in knowledge of its innards.
Actually mpd is not involved (or only slightly) in indexing in Moode. It's being done by php7.3_fpm or some such program (don't recall precisely off the top of my head), several instances of that program oftentimes. It does, of course, use mpd.conf as indexing parameters. But not all indexing parameters. Anyway, Moode's MPD uses

Code:
metadata_to_use "+comment"

which means that the default MPD metatags are used plus the "comment" tag, the MPD defaults being

Code:
"artist,album,title,track,name,genre,date,composer,performer,disc"

However, Moode overrides and/or adds to the default metatags as evidenced in the moodeutl output:

Code:
Extra metadata          = track,disc,composer,year,encoded

I would like to have the following metatags:

Code:
"albumartist,artist,album,track,title,genre,date,disc"

My glaring ignorance of Moode's innards prevents me from finding the option to do so, even in Moode's GUI. But wait! I could just edit the Metattag override file to get what I want. And I would like to be able to choose to view the metatags in any combination possible. But wait! It's forbidden by the forumistas! Darn it.

Well, as to your suggestion to try things with a small library, it's a good idea, I just do not have the time nor the physical condition to do so.

Cheers,
marco

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - TheOldPresbyope - 08-26-2020

@RPI4 Rambler

Ah, the penny finally dropped. You're talking about the metadata displayed in the moOdeUI, not the metadata scanned by MPD. This list is editable in the m>Appearance screen under Other>Extra Metadata, for which clicking on the information bubble reveals: "Enter any combination of track, disc, year, composer, encoded or None for display under the cover art." added] If it's not possible to add the fields you want, then you'll have to talk to Tim about it.

Or am I still off in left field somewhere.

Regards,
Kent

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - RPI4 Rambler - 08-27-2020

(08-26-2020, 09:41 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: @RPI4 Rambler

Ah, the penny finally dropped. You're talking about the metadata displayed in the moOdeUI, not the metadata scanned by MPD. This list is editable in the m>Appearance screen under Other>Extra Metadata, for which clicking on the information bubble reveals: "Enter any combination of track, disc, year, composer, encoded or None for display under the cover art." added] If it's not possible to add the fields you want, then you'll have to talk to Tim about it.

Or am I still off in left field somewhere.

Regards,
Kent

Hi Kent,
I forgot to mention that. I knew that already. There are plenty of metadata choices to be made through Menu --> Appearance, but I'm under the impression that they are not processed through MPD, which we were discussing at that point. Normally or let's just say "in other systems", all the metatags are handled by MPD but not in Moode and for good reason it would seem. According to the MPD developers, some metatags are not static or even stable. In particular "artist" and "albumartist" are ambivalently handled by MPD (?). I wonder what would happen if Moode's MPD gets a bump up to MPD 0.22. It exists, but it's not easy to come by and certainly unsupported.
Back to Moode: the values of the Appearance menu are of course stored in one of more files "or innards!".

Ok, the next bit may seem off-topic entirely, but as many view the size of my library as the root of the problem, let's take a deeper look.
The size of my system has been deemed "monstrous", "huge" etc. I'll try to explain the relevance of the size . Although being server systems first and foremost, the server systems I use on the QNAP NAS do not exhibit any problems with the size of my Library. Yes, they are server systems (which Moode is not) but all of them offer plugins (or embedded functionality) so they can also play music/video/photos directly. In fact QNAP NAS systems all support a number of DACs for these server systems. Qnap even have NAS systems (passively cooled) for use in the living room. So take for instance Twonky Server, I have it running on the same QNAP NAS that contains my entire music and video library which is bigger still than 'just my Moode library'. It lets you create any Library view one could ever envision. Automatic updating works flawlessly and its indexing is quite fast. Its price is $15, for which you can use mulitple installations on different machines.
Another server system (free, for now) I have running is Minimserver, the fastest of them all. It relies on Java though, which is certainly not known for its performance. It has a tiny front-end, but again it doesn't have a single problem with my library and can be extended with streaming functionality.
I own 7 NAS systems for all kinds of duties, and all use CPU's that are on a par with the RPI; the older ones have even slower CPU's. Mostly, their RAM is lower than what RPI4 offers from 128MB to max. 1 GB. My QNAP is an exception with 8GB of RAM. Now all these NAS systems are entry-level ones, so they all have ARM-based architectures similar to RPI's. NAS's in the higher price range usually have x86 architectures with matching CPU's (starting with the really low powered Intel Celeron's and up).

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - Tim Curtis - 08-27-2020

moOde is a server using MPD as the music server engine. MPD supports the tags listed in the following document https://www.musicpd.org/doc/html/protocol.html#tags. The "Extra metadata" option in Appearance just displays some of the tags under the Cover art.

The Library in moOde uses a subset of the MPD supported tags as follows;

Code:
file

track

title

disc

artist

albumartist

composer

comment

date (or MusicBrainZ OriginalDate or OriginalReleaseDate)

time

album

genre

Last-Modified

moOde works well for most collections but due to the way the Library is generated it will not work well for really big collections. You would be better off using another music server and client system for example one of the UPnP based control points like Kazoo and a UPnP AV media server.

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - RPI4 Rambler - 08-28-2020

(08-26-2020, 09:50 AM)vinnn Wrote: Seems less an mpd issue, more the web application snapping under the weight of so much html to generate.You tried using an mpd client instead? Something like mpdroid (Android). Gonna be a more basic interface than the web app to navigate but it has the advantage of being an application with it's own local metadata cache/database. Even if you can get the web app to work your web browser might have problems rendering that much data, especially on a mobile device.

I tend to agree with you, vinn. mpc stats clearly shows that the 'naked' indexing has indeed been done and succeeded. So it might come down that the metatag processing is overwhelmed, either in the indexing stage (too many tags to index) or in the presentation stage. Good suggestion to use a different mpd client. I'll try it out.

One other cause might be the compatibility with the web browser. As I have used Chrome, that would be unlikeliy. I do have a system-wide VPN installed, and that has already caused browser problems, particularly re. DNS. This has still not been solved by the VPN's support dept. Could it be that the VPN blocks the Tags and Album output somehow?

I already mentioned trying out MPD 0.22 but what I meant to say is the latest beta of 0.22 as one can switch to 0.22 within Moode's GUI 6.7.1 now.

Thanks & best regards,
marco

RE: Blank screen Library > Tags, Albums - RPI4 Rambler - 08-29-2020

(08-28-2020, 09:21 AM)RPI4 Rambler Wrote:
(08-26-2020, 09:50 AM)vinnn Wrote: Seems less an mpd issue, more the web application snapping under the weight of so much html to generate.You tried using an mpd client instead? Something like mpdroid (Android). Gonna be a more basic interface than the web app to navigate but it has the advantage of being an application with it's own local metadata cache/database. Even if you can get the web app to work your web browser might have problems rendering that much data, especially on a mobile device.

Did I post this already? If so, I apologise. I tend to agree with you, vinn. mpc stats clearly shows that the 'naked' indexing has indeed been done and succeeded. So it might come down that the metatag processing is overwhelmed, either in the indexing stage (too many tags to index) or in the presentation stage. Good suggestion to use a different mpd client. I'll try it out.

One other cause might be the compatibility with the web browser. As I have used Chrome, that would be unlikeliy. I do have a system-wide VPN installed, and that has already caused browser problems, particularly re. DNS. This has still not been solved by the VPN's support dept. Could it be that the VPN blocks the Tags and Album output somehow?

I already mentioned trying out MPD 0.22 but what I meant to say is the latest beta of 0.22 as one can switch to 0.22 within Moode's GUI 6.7.1 now.

Thanks & best regards,
marco

Ok, I tried a diferent MPD client as vinnn suggested, on my old Samsung Android tablet, it's called MPD Control (mpdroid did not work). It offers only two Library views:

Code:
By artists / album

and

Code:
By directories/files

These come from Moode, though, not the app. The app has three operating modes (basically Library Views) in the form of tabs and should be able to display and control music playback:

Code:
Playing  |  Library  |  Playlists

And now for the good news, apart from the loading speed, the Library views work but with some restraints (that is covered below)! The app lets you configure at least two servers, and offers not just Library views, it also lets you choose the Outputs as defined in Moode.

By selecting Playlists, one can select Radios and Playlists (Default and Favorites), just as in Moode itself. Selecting Radios yields no output, while Favorites yields none too (which is correct).
All the while Moode itself is doing something: user www-data started php-fpm7.3 (the indexer), so that may explain the empty Radio page in the app. [Edit: it turns out that this MPD client is looking for 'Radios.m3u' as the default, which, in Moode' is called 'Default Playlist.m3u' in /var/lib/mpd/playlists.

Playing a webradio station is indeed displayed and controllable by the app, though without artwork; in Moode the artwork is there, but probably not compatible with this app.

Using the Radio view in the app is still empty but one can select streams (4 in this case); I'm totally in the dark where those streams come from (presumably from Moode) but why and how is beyond me?

Meanwhile back in Moode, the extra metatags field in Appearance has disappeared, limiting the number of views in the Android app.

Cheers,
marco