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Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - feh123 - 12-21-2022

I thought I would start a new thread. Thanks to help from the Forum I have managed to use bluetooth to connect my Moode/RPI4 to a Arcam MiniBlink and play internet radio from my Moode radio station list. This is great for going on vacation. But I use the bluetooth speaker for music via Spotify. So I bought a Sonos Roam to give me both Sonos play and another bluetooth speaker for general use.
I am stuck however at the pairing stage with my Moode/RPI4. It works fine for my Arcam but the pairing just stalls with Moode/Sonos and I have to switch off the RPI4 and restart to get back to the web UI. So keystrokes are: set the Sonos Roam to ready to pair (blue light flashing). Open Moode Bluetooth Control pick scan including LE devices. Pick the Sonos Roam from the list. Hit pair. The Moode UI says reconnect (usually I wait and this happens automatically). But the UI never comes back and the Moode cannot be reached until I switch the RPI4 off/on. 
I cannot find much on the Fourm about Sonos. I admit this is rather weird way of working - why not just use the Sonos App? But I have problems with internet radio when on vacation in other countries. And I wanted to use the radios curated by Moode to see if they were more stable. It looks like I need to buy a non-Sonos bluetooth speaker but before I do that I thought I would check the Forum for ideas. Thanks!

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - Tim Curtis - 12-21-2022

You could try from the command line and see if there are any errors. My Anker SoundCore is already paired but I did include an example SCAN dnd PAIR command below. Also some Bluetooth speakers have a factory reset button. You might want to try that.

Code:
# SCAN
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -s
** Scanning for only BR/EDR devices (20 seconds)
**
** Trust expires in 90 seconds
** A4:77:58:09:EE:C8 Anker SoundCore
**

# PAIR
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -P A4:77:58:09:EE:C8

# HELP
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh
** blu-control.sh version 1.6
**
** Bluetooth has a range of around 30 feet (10 meters) but range
** will vary depending on obstacles (metal, wall, etc.), device signal
** strength and quality, and level of electromagnetic interferrence.
**
** Usage: blu-control.sh [OPTION]
**
** -i Initialize/reset controller
** -s Scan (BR/EDR only) and trust devices
** -S Scan (LE and BR/EDR) and trust devices
** -p List paired devices
** -c List connected devices
** -l List trusted devices
** -d Disconnect device <MAC addr>
** -r Remove paired device <MAC addr>
** -P Pair with device <MAC addr>
** -C Connect to device <MAC addr>
** -D Disconnect all devices
** -R Remove all devices
** -h Help

ETA: Also check Sonos support and see if there is a firmware update for the speaker.

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - feh123 - 12-22-2022

(12-21-2022, 07:24 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: You could try from the command line and see if there are any errors. My Anker SoundCore is already paired but I did include an example SCAN dnd PAIR command below. Also some Bluetooth speakers have a factory reset button. You might want to try that.

Code:
# SCAN
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -s
** Scanning for only BR/EDR devices (20 seconds)
**
** Trust expires in 90 seconds
** A4:77:58:09:EE:C8 Anker SoundCore
**

# PAIR
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -P A4:77:58:09:EE:C8

# HELP
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh
** blu-control.sh version 1.6
**
** Bluetooth has a range of around 30 feet (10 meters) but range
** will vary depending on obstacles (metal, wall, etc.), device signal
** strength and quality, and level of electromagnetic interferrence.
**
** Usage: blu-control.sh [OPTION]
**
** -i Initialize/reset controller
** -s Scan (BR/EDR only) and trust devices
** -S Scan (LE and BR/EDR) and trust devices
** -p List paired devices
** -c List connected devices
** -l List trusted devices
** -d Disconnect device <MAC addr>
** -r Remove paired device <MAC addr>
** -P Pair with device <MAC addr>
** -C Connect to device <MAC addr>
** -D Disconnect all devices
** -R Remove all devices
** -h Help

ETA: Also check Sonos support and see if there is a firmware update for the speaker.

Hi thanks for all the ideas. I am away at the moment but I will try these out as soon as I can and let you know.

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - feh123 - 12-27-2022

(12-22-2022, 09:57 PM)feh123 Wrote:
(12-21-2022, 07:24 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: You could try from the command line and see if there are any errors. My Anker SoundCore is already paired but I did include an example SCAN dnd PAIR command below. Also some Bluetooth speakers have a factory reset button. You might want to try that.

Code:
# SCAN
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -s
** Scanning for only BR/EDR devices (20 seconds)
**
** Trust expires in 90 seconds
** A4:77:58:09:EE:C8 Anker SoundCore
**

# PAIR
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -P A4:77:58:09:EE:C8

# HELP
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh
** blu-control.sh version 1.6
**
** Bluetooth has a range of around 30 feet (10 meters) but range
** will vary depending on obstacles (metal, wall, etc.), device signal
** strength and quality, and level of electromagnetic interferrence.
**
** Usage: blu-control.sh [OPTION]
**
** -i Initialize/reset controller
** -s Scan (BR/EDR only) and trust devices
** -S Scan (LE and BR/EDR) and trust devices
** -p List paired devices
** -c List connected devices
** -l List trusted devices
** -d Disconnect device <MAC addr>
** -r Remove paired device <MAC addr>
** -P Pair with device <MAC addr>
** -C Connect to device <MAC addr>
** -D Disconnect all devices
** -R Remove all devices
** -h Help

ETA: Also check Sonos support and see if there is a firmware update for the speaker.

Hi thanks for all the ideas. I am away at the moment but I will try these out as soon as I can and let you know.
Hi I have checked the Sonos - the software is up to date and I can bluetooth connect it to my Macbook and Arcam miniblink. I opened the moode ssh terminal and tried the commands you gave me above. The scan sees the Sonos and using the pair command with the mac address from the scan I get the message that the sonos is paired. However when I check the list of paired devices only the Arcam is present. I should say that moode will not play through my Macbook when bluetooth connected. I get error ALSA failed to open no such device for audio out. Quite a mystery to me!

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - feh123 - 12-29-2022

(12-27-2022, 04:47 PM)feh123 Wrote:
(12-22-2022, 09:57 PM)feh123 Wrote:
(12-21-2022, 07:24 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: You could try from the command line and see if there are any errors. My Anker SoundCore is already paired but I did include an example SCAN dnd PAIR command below. Also some Bluetooth speakers have a factory reset button. You might want to try that.

Code:
# SCAN
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -s
** Scanning for only BR/EDR devices (20 seconds)
**
** Trust expires in 90 seconds
** A4:77:58:09:EE:C8 Anker SoundCore
**

# PAIR
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -P A4:77:58:09:EE:C8

# HELP
pi@moode:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh
** blu-control.sh version 1.6
**
** Bluetooth has a range of around 30 feet (10 meters) but range
** will vary depending on obstacles (metal, wall, etc.), device signal
** strength and quality, and level of electromagnetic interferrence.
**
** Usage: blu-control.sh [OPTION]
**
** -i Initialize/reset controller
** -s Scan (BR/EDR only) and trust devices
** -S Scan (LE and BR/EDR) and trust devices
** -p List paired devices
** -c List connected devices
** -l List trusted devices
** -d Disconnect device <MAC addr>
** -r Remove paired device <MAC addr>
** -P Pair with device <MAC addr>
** -C Connect to device <MAC addr>
** -D Disconnect all devices
** -R Remove all devices
** -h Help

ETA: Also check Sonos support and see if there is a firmware update for the speaker.

Hi thanks for all the ideas. I am away at the moment but I will try these out as soon as I can and let you know.
Hi I have checked the Sonos - the software is up to date and I can bluetooth connect it to my Macbook and Arcam miniblink. I opened the moode ssh terminal and tried the commands you gave me above. The scan sees the Sonos and using the pair command with the mac address from the scan I get the message that the sonos is paired. However when I check the list of paired devices only the Arcam is present. I should say that moode will not play through my Macbook when bluetooth connected. I get error ALSA failed to open no such device for audio out. Quite a mystery to me!
Just an update. I have another older bluetooth speaker - a Braven 650. I tried this too without success. I have noticed that my Sonos Roam and the Braven are listed as trusted. So some sort of connection happened but these two speakers never fully connect.

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - Tim Curtis - 12-29-2022

Try the latest moOde 8.2.4 release (fresh image) and see if the problem still occurs. If it does then post the moOde startup log and I'll have a look.

Code:
moodeutl -l


RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - feh123 - 12-30-2022

Tim CurtisTry the latest moOde 8.2.4 release (fresh image) and see if the problem still occurs. If it does then post the moOde startup log and I'll have a look.

Code:
moodeutl -l

Thanks for your help. I restarted from a fresh 8.2.4 img file. I did not set up the up a library (it's always a struggle tovget my SMB addresses to work). But I have the my radios playing well. I sert up the bluetooth controller but if anything it's now worse. I cannot see the BT for the sonos roam at all. I paste the results (hope it helps!):moodeutl -l
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RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - Tim Curtis - 12-30-2022

The Gateway address in the AP mode section is not correct. It should be 0.0.0.0. I'm not sure how Gateway could be set to a completely different network.

Code:
20221230 120344 worker: wlan0 AP mode started
20221230 120354 worker: wlan0 check 0 for IP address
20221230 120356 worker: wlan0 check 1 for IP address
20221230 120358 worker: wlan0 check 2 for IP address
20221230 120400 worker: IP addr (172.24.1.1)
20221230 120400 worker: Netmask (255.255.255.0)
20221230 120400 worker: Gateway (192.168.1.1)
20221230 120400 worker: Pri DNS (127.0.0.1)
20221230 120400 worker: Domain  ()   

As far a the rest of the log goes I don't see anything suspicious.

ETA: I suppose one other thing you could try is to remove the audio HAT just in case it's on-board oscillators are emitting RF in the 2.4GHz band. This was an issue with early hifiberry day pro.

ETA: In addition to removing the audio HAT use an Ethernet or WiFi 5GHz connection instead of AP mode which uses 2.4GHz on default channel 6.

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - TheOldPresbyope - 12-30-2022

I don't have access to a Sonos Roam speaker but I do to a Sonos Move Speaker. This model also have both WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity.

The Move has been updated to latest OS (aka firmware).

Testing just now with a moOde 8.2.4 player (updated from 8.2.3) on a Pi3A, I successfully scanned and paired with both devices

Code:
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -l
** Discovered devices
**
** F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28 Sonos Move (SONOS 1528)
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -p
** Paired devices
**
** F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28 Sonos Move (SONOS 1528)
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**

Try connecting to the JBL

Code:
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -C 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37
** Connecting to device 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37
** Device 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 connected
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -c
** Connected devices
**
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**

...and I can play to it.

Now, try connecting to the Sonos

Code:
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -C F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28
** Connecting to device F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28
** Device F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28 connected
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -c
** Connected devices
**
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**

Huh. The connection process reports success but the connection itself doesn't show up??? This isn't right. (Note: I'm working directly with the Bluetooth subsystem here so it isn't an error that the JBL shows up still in this test, only that the Sonos doesn't.)

Maybe I'll get time later to explore further with low-level tools but this doesn't look like a moOde issue per se. This is the first Bluetooth-enabled speaker or headphone I haven't been able to use with moOde.

Regards,
Kent

RE: Sonos Roam Bluetooth Pairing - feh123 - 01-01-2023

TheOldPresbyopeI don't have access to a Sonos Roam speaker but I do to a Sonos Move Speaker. This model also have both WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity.

The Move has been updated to latest OS (aka firmware).

Testing just now with a moOde 8.2.4 player (updated from 8.2.3) on a Pi3A, I successfully scanned and paired with both devices

Code:
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -l
** Discovered devices
**
** F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28 Sonos Move (SONOS 1528)
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -p
** Paired devices
**
** F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28 Sonos Move (SONOS 1528)
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**

Try connecting to the JBL

Code:
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -C 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37
** Connecting to device 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37
** Device 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 connected
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -c
** Connected devices
**
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**

...and I can play to it.

Now, try connecting to the Sonos

Code:
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -C F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28
** Connecting to device F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28
** Device F0:F6:C1:5B:15:28 connected
pi@m824p3a:~ $ sudo /var/www/util/blu-control.sh -c
** Connected devices
**
** 00:1D:DF:AA:27:37 JBL Flip 2
**

Huh. The connection process reports success but the connection itself doesn't show up??? This isn't right. (Note: I'm working directly with the Bluetooth subsystem here so it isn't an error that the JBL shows up still in this test, only that the Sonos doesn't.)

Maybe I'll get time later to explore further with low-level tools but this doesn't look like a moOde issue per se. This is the first Bluetooth-enabled speaker or headphone I haven't been able to use with moOde.

Regards,
Kent

Thanks to you and Tim for all your help. A question under Bluetooth control do you set the pairing agent on? I have noticed a few odd things - I need to turn off HDMI to get Spotify to work and I still have issues with the sound output. I have this set to Software but to use Spotify with output to Moode Spotify I have to check my laptop audio is set high otherwise although I have a controller for the audio output (it's a Naim amp) that does not work. I will keep trying to get the Roam to connect - it connects so quickly to my macbook, iphone and ipad that I have to switch the bluetooth off on these devices otherwise I think it's paired to Moode only to find it's connected to my Apple devices! But I do have a backup - the Arcam Miniblink works so I can plug the audio from that into the Braven and that works! I will post if I ever get the Roam to connect. Thanks again.