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HDD not dected - spiros79 - 09-20-2023
Hi all . I could use some help here . I don't think it's a Moode problem
My set up goes like that :
Official Raspberry 3B power supply -> Raspberry zero w (running legacy 32 bit Moode on a 64GB microSD) <-> micro USB male to female USB - 4 port unbranded usb 2.0 hub (no supply) .
The hub feeds : (1) behringer uca 202 dac , (2) kingston usb 2.0 128 GB , (3) usb adapter stick with a micro 64GB SD , (4) a Toshiba external HDD , 1.5 T with its own power supply .
The moment I connect the HDD to the hub I hear it wake up (accelerates rpm instantly) . Unfortunately the raspberry doesn't detect it . The HDD is about 13 years old and works perfectly on my win 11 machine . It's my entire mp3 collection back up which I manually update once in a while . Some basic info from the zero :
spiros@moode:~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0951:1666 Kingston Technology DataTraveler 100 G3/G4/SE9 G2/50
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 08bb:2902 Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1908:0226 GEMBIRD MicroSD Card Reader/Writer
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a05:7211 Unknown Manufacturer hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
spiros@moode:~ $ lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda 8:0 1 58.2G 0 disk
└─sda1 8:1 1 58.2G 0 part
sdb 8:16 1 115.6G 0 disk
└─sdb1 8:17 1 115.5G 0 part
mmcblk0 179:0 0 58.3G 0 disk
├─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 256M 0 part /boot
└─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 58G 0 part /
Every other command I tried like , fdisk -l or parted -l show the same drives . I hoped the drive , for whatever reeason , will simply be unmounted .
All other devices and the dac work ok . No problems
To be honest I had the exact same problem with volumio on a pi 3b . It wouldn't pick up the HDD either . Never found out .
Thanks
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
RE: HDD not dected - fdealexa - 09-20-2023
Hi spiros79,
I think is a power problem: why don't you try to disconnect everything but the hdd (directly connected to the usb male to female adapter).?
Regards,
Francesco
RE: HDD not dected - spiros79 - 09-20-2023
(09-20-2023, 06:56 PM)fdealexa Wrote: Hi spiros79,
I think is a power problem: why don't you try to disconnect everything but the hdd (directly connected to the usb male to female adapter).?
Regards,
Francesco
I could try that but it's a not a working solution because I need the adapter to connect at least two devices , a hard disk drive and the dac . So I need the hub . Another solution would be to try a hub with external supply which I don,t possess nor I have ever seen .Power supply would be a problem if I asked for the zero to spin the drive . But as long it's self powered , power should not be the issue . I will also check the adapter . If it is OTG , does this mean that the pi necessarily as a host powers the HDD through the port and leaves the power supply aside ?
Thanks
RE: HDD not dected - Tim Curtis - 09-20-2023
Most likely the Zero's total USB bus power is not sufficient to support the 4th connected device but as @fdealexa mentioned you should first connect just the Toshiba drive and verify that it's recognized and functions correctly.
Once thats done u could try a powered USB hub, they are readily available for example:
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-5A-power-adapter/dp/B00DQFGH80/ref=sr_1_3?crid=GQKOT5LC3K8D&keywords=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub&qid=1695240447&sprefix=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-3&th=1
RE: HDD not dected - TheOldPresbyope - 09-20-2023
Also, if that hdd is 13 years old then it's living on borrowed time. I'd immediately copy all my files off of it and retire it before it self-destrucrs. Trying to revive a dead disk drive long enough to copy off irreplaceable files, even if only a few, is a tedious and often unsuccessful enterprise. Don't ask me how I know!
Regards,
Kent
RE: HDD not dected - spiros79 - 09-21-2023
(09-20-2023, 08:10 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: Most likely the Zero's total USB bus power is not sufficient to support the 4th connected device but as @fdealexa mentioned you should first connect just the Toshiba drive and verify that it's recognized and functions correctly.
Once thats done u could try a powered USB hub, they are readily available for example:
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-5A-power-adapter/dp/B00DQFGH80/ref=sr_1_3?crid=GQKOT5LC3K8D&keywords=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub&qid=1695240447&sprefix=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-3&th=1
No luck . Drive directly connected to zero via the usb to micro usb adapter . Removed all other devices . It only detects the sdcard .
Just put an order over a powered usb hub .
spiros@moode:~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
spiros@moode:~ $ lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
mmcblk0 179:0 0 58.3G 0 disk
├─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 256M 0 part /boot
└─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 58G 0 part /
RE: HDD not dected - spiros79 - 09-21-2023
(09-20-2023, 08:16 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: Also, if that hdd is 13 years old then it's living on borrowed time. I'd immediately copy all my files off of it and retire it before it self-destrucrs. Trying to revive a dead disk drive long enough to copy off irreplaceable files, even if only a few, is a tedious and often unsuccessful enterprise. Don't ask me how I know!
Regards,
Kent
The HDD is only for back up purposes. Occasionly , I plug it in my main pc and update with latest albums etc . Then unplug it and put it out of power to rest . Very few hours on operation. Surely it's not bad .
RE: HDD not dected - Tim Curtis - 09-21-2023
(09-21-2023, 06:13 AM)spiros79 Wrote:(09-20-2023, 08:10 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: Most likely the Zero's total USB bus power is not sufficient to support the 4th connected device but as @fdealexa mentioned you should first connect just the Toshiba drive and verify that it's recognized and functions correctly.
Once thats done u could try a powered USB hub, they are readily available for example:
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-5A-power-adapter/dp/B00DQFGH80/ref=sr_1_3?crid=GQKOT5LC3K8D&keywords=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub&qid=1695240447&sprefix=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-3&th=1
No luck . Drive directly connected to zero via the usb to micro usb adapter . Removed all other devices . It only detects the sdcard .
Just put an order over a powered usb hub .
spiros@moode:~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
spiros@moode:~ $ lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
mmcblk0 179:0 0 58.3G 0 disk
├─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 256M 0 part /boot
└─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 58G 0 part /
If the drive alone is not recognized then the issue is something other than power since you mentioned that its "a Toshiba external HDD , 1.5 T with its own power supply".
RE: HDD not dected - TheOldPresbyope - 09-21-2023
(09-21-2023, 11:21 AM)Tim Curtis Wrote:(09-21-2023, 06:13 AM)spiros79 Wrote:(09-20-2023, 08:10 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: Most likely the Zero's total USB bus power is not sufficient to support the 4th connected device but as @fdealexa mentioned you should first connect just the Toshiba drive and verify that it's recognized and functions correctly.
Once thats done u could try a powered USB hub, they are readily available for example:
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-5A-power-adapter/dp/B00DQFGH80/ref=sr_1_3?crid=GQKOT5LC3K8D&keywords=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub&qid=1695240447&sprefix=basics%2Bpowered%2Busb%2Bhub%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-3&th=1
No luck . Drive directly connected to zero via the usb to micro usb adapter . Removed all other devices . It only detects the sdcard .
Just put an order over a powered usb hub .
spiros@moode:~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
spiros@moode:~ $ lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
mmcblk0 179:0 0 58.3G 0 disk
├─mmcblk0p1 179:1 0 256M 0 part /boot
└─mmcblk0p2 179:2 0 58G 0 part /
If the drive alone is not recognized then the issue is something other than power since you mentioned that its "a Toshiba external HDD , 1.5 T with its own power supply".
A powered USB hub is still a device I'd try.
@spiros79
Experiences vary with the lifetime of a hard drive, with too many variables to model it easily. The industry convention is to say 3-5 years based on tens of thousands of units but that's for drives in more strenuous service than an occasional backup.
I've had hard drives last 6-10 years and I've had hard drives fail in various ways, some partial failure, some catastrophic, both sooner and later.
First (and last) rule of data storage: don't put all your eggs in one basket!
Regards,
Kent
RE: HDD not dected - spiros79 - 09-22-2023
@TheOldPresbyope
I agree . My collection sits in one 3T WD drive in my Win 11 . And the external Toshiba acts as a back up . If anyone breaks , it's replaced immediately . Honestly , in 20 years hardly remember any drives gone bad . I mostly change them to move to larger capacities .