Raspberry Pi 5 announced

[Tim Curtis]

Wow, a new Pi and RaspiOS Bookworm :-)

"Will older versions of Raspberry Pi OS work with Raspberry Pi 5?
You will need the latest version of Raspberry Pi OS, Bookworm, for your Raspberry Pi 5. Bookworm will launch in mid-October."

Q4 moOde development was looking pretty routine till today :-0

Check Jeff Geerling's blog to see some of the changes that will affect moOde.

Regards,
Kent

Will do this evening.

Pi5/Bookworm should be transparent to moOde software and all the 3rd party packages right ;-)

It's a good hardware review but the comparisons to other SBC's omit the most important differentiator, the massive Raspberry Pi OS software ecosystem. This is what makes Raspberry Pi so useful and why it dominates the market. 

One interesting aspect pf Pi-5 is the in-house designed silicon for the RP1 I-O controller. It's the same approach they took for the Pi Pico which has in-house designed RP2040 microcontroller.

[TheOldPresbyope]

Agree on both points.

The road (and my pseudo-workbench) is littered with SBCs which got a hacked-up Debian distro at launch and a Wiki that quickly went dormant. The support for RPi users and devs is awesome.

I love that they abandoned the clunky VL805 interface.

Now that the news embargo has been lifted, there’s a ton of articles showing up in my newsfeed. Not so much in the way of third-party add-ons yet.

Got in a couple of pre-orders late yesterday. One vendor (pishop.us) thinks they’ll be shipping by the end of October. We shall see.

Upgraded a copy of RaspbiOS to Bookworm last night but haven’t had time to explore it yet.

Regards,
Kent

[Tim Curtis]

Agree on both points.

The road (and my pseudo-workbench) is littered with SBCs which got a hacked-up Debian distro at launch and a Wiki that quickly went dormant. The support for RPi users and devs is awesome.

I love that they abandoned the clunky VL805 interface.

Now that the news embargo has been lifted, there’s a ton of articles showing up in my newsfeed. Not so much in the way of third-party add-ons yet.

Got in a couple of pre-orders late yesterday. One vendor (pishop.us) thinks they’ll be shipping by the end of October. We shall see.

Upgraded a copy of RaspbiOS to Bookworm last night but haven’t had time to explore it yet.

Regards,
Kent

Coolness :-)

What process did you use to upgrade to Bookworm?
- What Linux kernel does it run?
- What is the Debian version?

[TheOldPresbyope]

Re upgrade

I took a bull-in-the-china-shop approach and rammed Bookworm into a working copy of 64-bit moOde 8.3.6, first unholding all packages so I would end up, hopefully, with the current working version of Bookworm. This blows away moOde, of course, although there are remnants (such moOde's message of the day)..

I'm getting too old to trust my memory of how I used to do things so I followed this gist

The Pi comes up

Code:

Linux: 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 | aarch64 (64-bit) | RaspiOS: 12.1
Model: Pi-4B 1.1 2GB
...

and /etc/os-release contains

Code:

PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="12"
VERSION="12 (bookworm)"
VERSION_CODENAME=bookworm
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/"

I haven't explored the RPi github to see what kernel they're targeting for the released version.

Regards,
Kent

[Tim Curtis]

Hopefully an official Raspberry Pi Bullseye -> Bookworm upgrade option will be offered (via simple apt dist-upgrade). This could make it much easier to bump our build tooling. If a clean Bookworm is required then much more work.

[TheOldPresbyope]

Hopefully an official Raspberry Pi Bullseye -> Bookworm upgrade option will be offered (via simple apt dist-upgrade). This could make it much easier to bump our build tooling. If a clean Bookworm is required then much more work.

I can't imagine that won't be an official upgrade option. I just couldn't wait   

My boss used to find me in the lab unpacking some new piece of equipment when I was supposed to be in my office working on whatever was the bureaucratic problem of the hour. His assessment: "Kent, you always want to eat your dessert first." Fortunately, I was good enough at paper slinging that he kept me around.

Regards,
Kent

[kmchap]

I have put myself on a wait list.  Summing up the main features:

1. Faster, yes.  We will eventually need it for more sophisticated DSP etc.
   
2. 5V/5A, yes.  I would prefer PD to allow 9 or 12V at lower currents, but I suspect that would have complicated the PSU design.
   
3. Onboard wireless antenna, no.  I would have preferred an external antenna similar to the CM4.  With the RPI4/5 you need to resort to a USB dongle as soon as you use a metal case.
   

[Tim Curtis]

Get it straight from the designers :-)

Raspberry Pi 5 Architecture and Design with James Adams and Eben Upton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZswAW9A6wNE

[TheOldPresbyope]

Get it straight from the designers :-)

Raspberry Pi 5 Architecture and Design with James Adams and Eben Upton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZswAW9A6wNE

Rather talky for my taste.  

I'm a fast reader so I prefer to listen to music while I read a lengthy tech description.


Still, the two of them cover a lot of ground and I love the first comment "not a PowerPoint in sight"!

Regards,
Kent

[popej]

I have found original case disappointing. No passive airflow, pitifully tiny radiator for CPU only and no place for anything bigger, since fan is in the middle of the case (maybe to allow for a hat above?). Whereas active cooler is nice. Quiet and effective. You can put it inside original case, but it won't work there, since hot air is not pushed outside. My advice is to look for other case.